This
conversation between myself and Guardian reporter Mr Colin
Blackstock, took place on Wednesday 1st May 2002 @ about 10
pm, and this document was emailed to him at this address
home@guardian.co.uk
Not long after, my site trackers
told me that this site had been visited by the Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk
Dear Colin Blackstock,
Thank you for taking the time to listen to me on the phone
a few moments ago.
As a Brirtish White person making complaints about minority
group racism, I am not used to this level of civility, thank
you again !
As I explained to you , the best way that I can explain to
you why I vote BNP, is to give you the address of my political
website, www.SeanBryson.Com
This will explain everything.
However, the details below are not yet in place on that website,
but will be !
Thank you again for your "non PC" honesty.
Sean Bryson
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Bryson
To: BNP_Supporters_Group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:23 PM
Subject: For The Record / Fw: Our tel/con
To All !
No mention of politics was ever made by me during my brief
membership of www.beyondbricks.com
Politics was introduced by the all powerfull PC brigade and
self interested minority interests to futher frustrate my
life as highlighted on my political website www.SeanBryson.Com
It was other people who introduced the above address of my
political website.
It was, and still is my aim to get of the ground my commercial
website, www.NottingHillNews.Com
If you look at the address's / URL's of some of these people
you will find that their (Minority) business interests are
literally on my home doorstep !
What a coincidence !!!!
Sean Bryson
----- Original Message -----
From: Kroeger John (Mr J)
To: 'NottingHillNews.Com'
Cc: 'Andrew Sell'
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:31 PM
Subject: RE: Our tel/con
Dear Mr Bryson,
I have completed my review of your request to be readmitted
to the community area on the BeyondBricks website, and having
taken advise from DTI colleagues, including our legal advisers,
I will not be recommending to the BeyondBricks consortium,
who run the site on DTI's behalf, that your request is granted.
As operator the Consortium have the right to determine who
may use it and on what terms.
The purpose of the site is to provide a resource for internet
entrepreneurs. It is to encourage the growth and success of
e-businesses. You are not using it for this purpose. Indeed
there are strong indications that your presence in the community
discussions is deterring legitimate users. There are reasonable
grounds for believing that if you were readmitted your actions
would continue to be detrimental.
I consider this matter closed.
John Kroeger, Programme Manager
Internet Mentoring Initiative and Digital Content,
Computer Games Industry Sponsorship,
DTI Communications and Information Industry Directorate.
020 7215 1380 Dir.
020 7215 1370 Fax
151 Buckingham Palace Road
London SW1W 9SS
Have a look and register on the community section of www.beyondbricks.com,
especially if you are an Internet Entrepreneur
-----Original Message-----
From: NottingHillNews.Com [mailto:nottinghillnews.com@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 25 April 2002 09:49
To: Kroeger John (Mr J)
Subject: Re: Our tel/con
Dear Mr Kroeger
The content of my website has not been toned down, in fact
more of the same content has been added in the past couple
of months.
I am surprised that my accusers have not kept copies to use
as ammunition.
I will not give you the details of the people at the DTi who
I have contacted, or their replies.
The members of Beyond bricks are all fully grown consenting
adults and do not need to be chaperoned by anyone. They can
make up their own minds about me and ignore me, or not, as
they deem fit.
In this country we are considered innocent untill proven guilty.
What am I guilty of, that I should be denied complete access
to Beyondbricks ??
There is a serious principle at stake here Mr Kroeger
And I will repeat.......
At no time was it I, who introduced a political element into
my presence at Beyondbricks.
Politics was introduced by other people.
Sean Bryson
----- Original Message
-----
From: Kroeger John (Mr J)
To: 'NottingHillNews.Com'
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:28 PM
Subject: RE: Our tel/con
Mr Bryson,
It does not matter to me that you may have different opinions
from my own. I find your "political" site more boring
than offensive, and frankly do not have time to make more
than rather snap judgments on websites in general. There are
so many out there, some really useful. I offer this opinion
because you requested it, and I mean no offence.
You say that for you, Beyondbricks (BB) is useful to you.
As the DTI manager in charge of the programme of which Beyondbricks
is a part, I am pleased to hear this. You message below, and
the "thread" referred to which resulted in your
banishment from the community part of the site, makes me question
again what you see that "use" to be? The accusation
is that you were using BB as a platform to draw attention
to your political views is left up in the air. I haven't heard
(or seen) you specifically refute this. BB is not a political
forum and trying to make it one is potentially damaging to
its real purpose. (just as trying to make it a cookery class).
Again, I do not care what your political views are, as long
as they are not imposed on me, personally or distract from
whatever purpose I am pursuing.
As for your Nottinghill Site, I have been told that since
Feb it has been toned down. I found some of the links useful
and did not find the ones others call objectionable. I did
not spend hours looking however. To consider this issue further
it would be helpful for you to respond to these two questions:
1. Is any part of your interest
in BB to incite the most boringly predictable reaction
to the rather pathetic (in my view) whine about the perils
of being a
white male British Citizen? * (this seems to be your main
political message but feel free to tell me if I have misunderstood)
See The Historical
Roots Of Political Correctness |
2.
What usefulness did you enjoy while you were a BB registered
user that you are finding it difficult to be without now?
Finally, please cut and paste all the emails which you used
to send your first message to me so that I can personally
send my apologies (in the subject line so that it can then
quickly be deleted)., and assure me that you will not try
to raise awareness (of what I am not sure) in this way again.
John Kroeger, Programme Manager
Internet Mentoring Initiative and Digital Content,
Computer Games Industry Sponsorship,
DTI Communications and Information Industry Directorate.
020 7215 1380 Dir.
020 7215 1370 Fax
151 Buckingham Palace Road
London SW1W 9SS
Have a look and register on the community section of www.beyondbricks.com,
especially if you are an Internet Entrepreneur
-----Original Message-----
From: NottingHillNews.Com [mailto:nottinghillnews.com@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 24 April 2002 11:06
To: Kroeger John (Mr J)
Subject: Re: Our tel/con
Dear Mr Kroeger,
We live in ruthlessley Politically Correct times, with many
people having a vested interest in maintaining that situation.
The great majority of people in a position like yours who
come into contact with my political website for whatever reason,
become afraid, and prefer to sweep it under the carpet, and
me along with it.
( Witness my situation at beyond bricks )
As I have already said, if you view my political site you
will understand why I seek safety in numbers, by this I mean
generate maximum awareness of my situation, in order to minimise
the ability of the PC brigade to have me swept under the carpet
again.
Bear in mind that I do not know anything about you, and I
have already said that I was very surprised to hear that you
were unaware of the existance of my political website, the
contents of which were the reason for my expulsion from Beyondbricks.
You also stated impatiently during our telephone conversation,
that you did not have time to view / listen to great loads
of information etc, and then made reference to "Objectionabe
Content ????" on my website www.NottingHillNews.Com
I regret any inconvenience to other people at the DTi, but
in comparrison to what certain other people have been getting
away with doing to me for so many years, it is very small
fry.
The awareness that I have generated around you will serve
one of two functions.......
If you are an honourable man, it will assist you.
If you are not, it will expose you.
Did you get the FAX that I sent you ? In case it did not reach
you, I have copied it below. I do not know if you can recieve
HTML email, but in case you can, the HTML version of this
fax follows this email.
Yours Sincerely
Sean Bryson
FAO Mr John Kroeger @ The Dti
From Sean Bryson
admin@nottinghillnews.com
www.NottingHillNews.Com
Beyond Bricks is the definitive portal
for internet entrepreneurs that provides a free online resource
of information and advice, news and 'community'. Funded by
the UK Government's Department of Trade and Industry but created
by a consortium of companies with proven success in the internet
marketplace, our mandate is to encourage the growth and success
of e-businesses across the UK.Beyond Bricks is part of the
DTI's £5.5 million Internet Mentoring Initiative, which
also includes match-funded grants to regional incubators and
a research programme.
(Andrew Sell 020 7557 4620 )
Display Name: Dave Angel
Tag: daveangel
Last Login: 26/02/2002, 17:30:44
Intro: Realist. Technological Harry Potter. I speak my mind.
Location: (YO) York
Personal URL: http://www.ComingSoon.org.uk
Business URL: http://www.ButNotTellingYet.co.uk
Offering: Advice
Looking for: Other
Business Sector: Internet-lifestyle
Main Functional Role: Other
Company Size: 2-5
Other1: For the benefit of people interested in who I am,
I have filled this out a bit.
Other2: I can give advice on usability, technical problems,
aesthetics.
Other3: I am not tolerant of idiots using the internet badly.
They were the prime cause of the dotcom bust. There are too
many chancers with a good domain name and crap idea. Such
sites are doomed to failure, and unfortunately take other
good sites with them.
Other4: People seem to get offended by my constructive criticism.
Sorry, but if I see your site and it is crap, I will tell
you so. I've yet to see a worthwhile site from 2269 members.
STOP PRESS. Seen one worthwhile site... endlesscards.com.
Subject: Remove Sean
Bryson
From: Dave Angel (daveangel)
Sent: 26/02/2002, 15:45:31
Hi All,
Simple one, just read the
thread
http://community.beyondbricks.com/show_boardmessage.asp?messageID=3316
Or better still, have a look
at the site.
http://www.NottingHillNews.Com
Specifically the sections
Asylum and Immigration.
The War on Terror.
Just what IS Racism?
Crime and prevention.
Then vote here, to remove
the racist. A simple YES or NO.
Cheers,
Dave.
p.s. I'll get the ball rolling...
Subject: Re: Remove Sean Bryson
From: Dave Angel (daveangel)
Sent: 26/02/2002, 15:45:44
YES
Subject: Re: Remove
Sean Bryson
From: Karen Anderson (karenel)
Sent: 26/02/2002, 16:03:49
Yes
Display Name: Karen Anderson
Tag: karenel
Last Login: 26/02/2002, 16:01:49
Intro: Founder of Ebonylook.com, which is launching end of
February. I would be intersted in liaising with publishers
of magazines and anyone dealing in import and export.
Location: (UB) Uxbridge
Personal URL:
Business URL: http://www.ebonylook.com
Offering: Other
Looking for: Funding
Business Sector: Internet-ecommerce
Main Functional Role: Other
Company Size: 2-5
Company Stage: Startup, pre-revenue
Funding to date: Self-funded/Friends & Family
Business model: Clicks-and-mortar
Other2: Founder and Director
Subject: Re: Remove Sean
Bryson
From: Craig Anderson (kraygerson)
Sent: 26/02/2002, 16:07:32
This was my first thought after discovering what the site
was really all about and posting on the other thread. Since
then I have looked into it further and his sources of information
include (but are not limited to) the BNP's own web site.
So you have to ask yourself
who/what Sean Bryson really is and what he hopes to achieve.
Regardless, I do not feel
that he belongs here. This site is for Internet Entrepeneurs,
not far right political activists.
So "YES" from me
Display Name: Craig Anderson
Tag: kraygerson
Last Login: 26/02/2002, 18:10:55
Intro: Having identified a possible niche in the market, my
business partner and I last year broke away from full time
employment to strike out on our own. Ace Developer Limited
is the result, and we are hoping for a big year as we officially
launch in 2002. Ace Developer provides web design, web application
development and web hosting services at very competitive rates.
Location: (UB) Uxbridge
Personal URL:
Business URL: http://www.acedeveloper.com
Offering: Services
Looking for: Other
Business Sector: Internet-services
Main Functional Role: Developer
Company Size: 2-5
Company Stage: Revenue-generating
Funding to date: Revenue-financed
Business model: Online only
Other1: Wouldn't mind making some useful contacts. You can
never have too many!
Other2: Although often very busy, I am happy to help and advise
when called upon.
Subject: Re: Remove
Sean Bryson
From: Ste Andreassen (godspants)
Sent: 26/02/2002, 16:22:42
Yes
Display Name: Ste Andreassen
Tag: godspants
Last Login: 26/02/2002, 16:22:03
Intro: Currently working on a very exciting venture, looking
for funding - aren't we all. Plan to succeed where many other
similar sites have failed, by actually having thought about
the benefits the internet can bring, rather than jumping on
the bandwagon with some half-arsed banner-driven site.
Location: (M) Manchester
Personal URL:
Business URL:
Looking for: Funding
Business Sector: Internet-lifestyle
Main Functional Role: Project Manager
Company Size: 1
Company Stage: Startup, pre-revenue
Funding to date: Self-funded/Friends & Family
Business model: Online only
Subject: Re: Remove
Sean Bryson
From: Jeremy Jarvis (jjarvis)
Sent: 26/02/2002, 16:23:47
hmmmm. Not sure.
I certainly don't hold the
same views/opinions as him - but I don't know whether he falls
into the category of an activist?
Should we then need to inspect all other members to see whether
their sites/views/business plans conform to the political
position of BB?
I leave the decision to those
who are in a position to make it.
Craig, this site is for Internet
Entrepreneurs, not political activists of any persuasion.
Display Name: Jeremy Jarvis
Tag: jjarvis
Last Login: 26/02/2002, 14:43:34
Intro: I provide web and digital marketing advice and expertise
to both start-ups and existing clicks or bricks businesses.
Feel free to drop me an email through the BB system or visit
http://www.reflex.net
Location: (LS) Leeds
Personal URL:
Business URL: http://www.reflex.net
Offering: Advice
Looking for: Other
Business Sector: Internet-new media
Main Functional Role: CEO
Company Size: 1
Company Stage: Profitable
Funding to date: Revenue-financed
Business model: Clicks-and-mortar
Subject: Re: Remove Sean Bryson
From: alex grady (alexgrady)
Sent: 26/02/2002, 16:57:17
Get rid of him... that muppet even had the gall to ask for
my help, I politely refused before even getting past the homepage...
if I'd known, I would have started this thread myself. Long
live Dave Angel... the mans a hero
YES
Display Name: alex grady
Tag: alexgrady
Last Login: 26/02/2002, 14:18:57
Intro: Hi all, I'm a marketing monkey who knows nothing about
the internet... but whos working on the development of a site
nonetheless!! I am acutely aware that I may well be the least
internet savvy person on this community, but I am learning
all the time, so please don't tell me how stupid I am. The
site I am working on is at http://www.allabusinessneeds.com
if anyone wants a look, any comments or suggestions will be
gratefully received.
Location: (B) Birmingham
Personal URL:
Business URL: http://www.allabusinessneeds.com
Offering: Services
Looking for: Customers
Business Sector: Internet-portal
Main Functional Role: Project Manager
Company Size: 2-5
Company Stage: Startup, pre-revenue
Funding to date: Self-funded/Friends & Family
Business model: Online only
Alex (devout Angel-ite) Grady
Subject: Re: Remove
Sean Bryson
From: Sean Bryson (bryson)
Sent: 26/02/2002, 17:51:15
I
do not make the news. Dont get offended by me, get offended
by the criminals.
And
just what is a racist anyway ?
Parhaps some of you should read further on my website.
There is much racketeering going on behind PC, and a lot of
that is race racketeering, I suspect,rather like that which
is being done to me just now.
How
many people in this community ? And how many "Outraged
PC merchants have called for my head ? I am certainly politically
incorrect, and I dont appologise for that one bit. A racist
would not give everyone the open oportunity of open UN-Moderated
reply, never in a million years !!
None
of you should have raised your objections on these pages,
that is not what any of us are here for. EVERYTHING on my
website is currently being OPENLY dealt with by our national
media.
Who
are ANY of YOU! to say that people like myself, are not allowed
to debate these topics ????
You are the fascists (PC fascists) not people like me.
I
will state again. Everyone who visits my site has the opportunity
for the right of reply, this is extended to everyone, no holds
barred.Except for the levels of manners and courtesy that
have to be observed.
The
internet is blind, that is one of it's great assets, I dont
know anything about the people who may visit my site, their
background, the etnic oigin, their religeon, etc,etc. But
everyone gets the equal right of reply on my Yahoo groups.
If
you do not wish to respond to my requests for assistance on
these pages, that is your choice. It is disgusting what you
are trying to do to me. We do not live in a PC Stalinist /
Hitlerite regime yet.
"Racist"
the all encompassing insult for anyone who is not PC ( Which
is a big racket )
Sean
Bryson
Subject: Re: Remove
Sean Bryson
From: Andrew Sell (selly)
Sent: 26/02/2002, 17:01:23
Right.
This is not a thread or subject
I'd like to see get anymore air time. The content on Mr Bryson's
site is, quite naturally, offensive to most and I have received
complaints online and by phone to tell me as much.
I would appreciate it if we
didn't turn this into a circus.
As much as the comments of
the respondednts so far are noble I would ask that all further
objections are mailed to me at AndrewS@beyondbricks.com or
message me privately on the site.
For the reasons stated in
Mr Jarvis' post it is never a simple matter to terminate a
user's membership because of the content of a member's site
doesn't conform to our own sensibilities. However, if it does
upset the community enough to warrant his eviction then action
will be taken.
But, as I have said, I would
prefer we give this topic/user no more space on the boards.
Message me directly and the matter will be dealt with.
Kind regards
Andrew
Display Name: Andrew Sell
Tag: selly
Last Login: 26/02/2002, 16:24:16
Intro: Content and Community Manager for BeyondBricks.com
Location: (RG) Reading
Personal URL:
Business URL: http://www.beyondbricks.com
Offering: Services
Looking for: Advice
Business Sector: Internet-portal
Main Functional Role: Project Manager
Company Size: 6-15
Business model: Online only
Subject: Re: Remove
Sean Bryson
From: Dave Angel (daveangel)
Sent: 26/02/2002, 18:21:42
Erm, right.
Anyone in any doubt, look
what I found...
http://www.SeanBryson.Com
Makes very interesting reading,
unless you're having your dinner, in which case I advise caution.
Dave.
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